The Grim List

Posted 3 years agoEdited 3 years ago

The place which highlights any member who has not returned shares, done a runner, lied, stolen or anything dodgy. This list will include as many personal and public details about the seller and will warn all other communities and buyers.

Current list:

- Donkmeaak
- ReneeChito
- Shyva_trip
- Normnormnorm
Jon-PokerVIP

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Posted 3 years ago
- Shyva_trip

Basically a lot of inconsistencies, underpayments, cancellations of packs, multi site selling, bad organisation, lies and failure/delays of sending payments. I can tell you now he has been banned or flagged on 3 sites from selling and also FB groups.

Posted 3 years ago
I understand this looks like flaming and when i find time i will add chats in etc.
Posted 3 years ago*
Andre Panto aka Shyva_trip is a thief and a scammer. Added to the grim list


Ok so this could go back for a long time to show inconsistencies, screenshots and chats but i will do a lot of the stuff as cliffs then just show last nights conversation with him and some other info which proves everything at the end.

Cliffs:

- Shyva was introduced to me by Scrimitzu who said he was a sick player, vouch for the guy and should buy pieces. I later saw on a scrimitzu stream a $1k transfer to him which scrim claimed was for 60 hours of coaching (not sure what this was about). Also shyva told me privately he staked Scrim now so again more inconsistencies. (Scrimitzu actually made a thread selling a pack for Shyva which was deleted, have proof tho...actually i found it Here
- Shyva spammed the forum to get 50 posts. (real spam like random letters). I banned him instantly whilst he was doing this. He contacted support, we had a chat, i deleted all his spam and let him make a post due to the vouch i had received.
- He made multiple threads all terrible quality. Honestly like a 4 year old had done it and never sold before. So i edited, helped him, explained. He always asked why no one was buying and i said he looked desperate and posts we just the worst.
- We then introduced the we buy any piece scheme and i said to him to try it out.
- Puts up a back and we buy. He then cannot play this pack due to some reason. I hustle and he sends back.
- Does it again - he doesn't play and sends back.
- Does it again - plays the small $55 buy in but not the $320. I hustle he sends back.
- He then creates some $3.50 180 man packs. We buy and he just shows results and says there you go. Received funds (had to chase)
- Does another one : Some issues again
- Does another - takes 3 days to send myself and KJ the money back which is where last nights outing of him came out during a Skype chat.

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One of the excuses for not playing and delayed refunding was his kid was in hospital. However there were so many inconsistencies with this including him being able to post a new pack on another site, telling Barrabod he couldn't send as transfer limits on Stars were maxed out, telling me Skrill had blocked him, saying he wife was going to send etc etc. I chased and chased and around 7pm he comes online and i say dude send my money now. He says and swears his wife sent it 5 hours ago...i check my stars account and see it was sent at 6:57pm (emails show transaction times). I say weird to lie your wife sent it earlier when it is clearly showing you just sent it now. Again all lies.

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He has been called out across a couple other sites and Stace from Staking101 was kind enough to do research into all his activity and results. I will show what he lied about when it comes to the packs sold with us:

Pack 1 - 1 week ago - purchased on the 12th October - as stated play was to take place 23.30... however all games were played going into 13th.. only 6 games were played NOT 15 and from these 6 games cashes were; $538 for a 1st place, and $17 for a total of $555 nowhere near $67 as stated. Problem is the win was added to his next pack seen below...

Pack 2 - Purchased on 13th October would start play at 11.55pm..... again... Total of 15 games to be played... 15 games were played, however there was 5 games played leaving a total of $98.80 owing.

Pack 3 - purchased on the 15th October play to start 22.30WET obv goin into 16th 15 games should have been played only 4 games were played, and we are talking almost 24hrs later here also.... $108.68 worth of games owed.

Pack 4 - started Sunday 18th October play to start 12am 19th October... says in thread he started early, but unable to get time of post.. However he added in his 2nd place, so will take all games starting from that bunch, https://pokermarket.com/staking.php#/tournament/online/1477 selling this 12pm 20/10 when hadn't even finished pack on PokerVIP. Cashed for atleast $380, took 3 days to complete.

As you can see he underpaid and underplayed. Basically what he has been doing is keeping things small so he can always pay if needed just by selling elsewhere, borrowing, getting into debt or just depositing funds from somewhere. He was obviously trying to build a rep to pull off a bigger one and become a PokerVIP approved seller.

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So this leads us to last nights chat which i will image shot everything but hide any other players names/transfers and his home address. This is well within my rights and maybe protecting him and others to much.

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Proof my chats was to his account:

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How he failed with Photo shopping:

Available shows $500. Total shows $0 and the little preview tab top right shows $0.

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Can see he has just asked a mate or deposited in/transferred just enough to cover mine and Killjoys transfer. Again more proof as cashier preview tab shows $10 but yet a moment before it showed $0 but claimed he had $500 in there.

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Also some photo shoppers from FB were kind enough to show me some more flaws in his work (not that we needed it as this point)

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More indentifying of the random white blocks (erased areas)

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I was also informed by another FB group that he had once shopped it to look like he was a Supernova on Stars. They called him out on it and he said it was a joke..........If i can get proof of this i will.

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So all in all a grimmer/scammer/scum bag who was playing friends online, using multiple sites to sell on and scam, selling on FB groups, selling on his own FB group and basically just stealing small amounts and lying about results. Imagine he was setting everyone up for a big one. He was just circling money. So he would owe us, sell a pack elsewhere, use that money to pay us after giving false results. This would happen again with a different site, sell with us, pay them and so on.

He was also yesterday trying to sell an EPT malta pack with £2k i think across some FB groups and sites. We have deleted as many of these as possible. The pack may exist but who knows the truth!

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Posted 3 years ago
I realize i have been called out for doing something bad to Tudor in his chats which i tried to have him explain. I did realise i have dealt with him financially as we (PokerVIP) staked him for cash games. We dropped him due to not meeting the contract and was in losses at the time which we never asked for. This however is the only financial thing i have done with him and no scams or sales have even been done from me to him.
Posted 3 years ago
Many thanks for that Jon, a lot of work put into it and very informative!! I would recommend everyone reading through it, it gives you an idea of how some scammers work and what you can be aware of when backing people. As with anything, it can be a risk but don't let these put you off investing as 99% of people are reliable and genuine and backing others can be profitable and fun to rail.

And as with any form of gambling (in the case of backing, you are "betting" that they will win you money), don't spend more than what you can afford to lose.
Posted 3 years ago
Yeah, very good work with the photo shop Jon. Can I just point out also that none of my investigation was anything to do with being 'a woman scorned' and don't really take kindly to being called a 'bitch' but what else can we expect from someone with morals like yours Shyv?

My intention always was and will always be to protect the members not only of staking101 but of the entire online poker staking community at all times. I am just glad that this was brought to an end before serious money got involved.

Stace (staking101.com)
Posted 3 years ago
Little confused regarding Scrims input, I'm guessing he wasunder the impression that this guy was legit? Seems a bit dodgy that you get given the name a scam artist like this....
Posted 3 years ago
Shocked to hear he's been up to no good. Unfortunate but hey that's poker! Live and learn
Posted 3 years ago
Sheeeeeeeet. Thats quite a spin. I can't believe how much you put up with dealing with online poker players. You must be a strong character to keep being bothered to stake, buy packs etc.
Posted 3 years ago
thetallpaul: Sheeeeeeeet. Thats quite a spin. I can't believe how much you put up with dealing with online poker players. You must be a strong character to keep being bothered to stake, buy packs etc.



haha yeh man but had a load of positives over the last 10 years doing it and negatives for a whole lot more money. Just gotta take the rough with the smooth innit :). Main aim is the good people get a shot
Posted 3 years ago
Jon-PokerVIP:
thetallpaul: Sheeeeeeeet. Thats quite a spin. I can't believe how much you put up with dealing with online poker players. You must be a strong character to keep being bothered to stake, buy packs etc.



haha yeh man but had a load of positives over the last 10 years doing it and negatives for a whole lot more money. Just gotta take the rough with the smooth innit :). Main aim is the good people get a shot


exactly Smile
Posted 3 years ago
Man Jon this isnt even a photoshop... more like Paint Smile yeah there are too many "mistakes" in his "proofs" ...
Posted 3 years ago*
Great post, what a read and I think this thread could become quite valuable to the poker community!

Its sad to see when people are given so many chances to do the right thing and continue to lie and cheat their way through life. A few dollars here and there missed, the next one would be the big win and no one ever hears from him again. Its pretty obvious to anyone that to transfer over Skrill or Pokerstars it takes a few seconds, whether you child is in hospital, or a family member has sadly passed away, or your uncles, girlfriends, dads, dog is getting married, it only takes a few seconds!

He could have said on multiple occasions that he didn't have the money and PokerVIP and this community (who kindly put up their money for him) would have given him another chance. At least make an effort to cover your tracks, that Photoshop is terrible!
Posted 3 years ago
Gone for good now i guess. Deleted me from Skype

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Posted 3 years ago
Pretty comprehensive from Jon Smile Can be no doubt this guy is a scammer and hopefully Jon's work puts him out of this type of business for good.
Posted 3 years ago*
Totally forgot this. I mean his message is lol and kinda just sums him up as a person but well is location is quite a surprise....was told by him and confirmed by scrim that he was in Reading but originally from Portugal. Very confused now tbh

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Posted 3 years ago
I think you need to ask scrimitzu few questions or him simply respond in this thread about "his" referal
Posted 3 years ago*
DonkmeAAK aka Chris Kirby

The moral of this sorry story is to check up on a potential stakee before sending them any money rather than being blinded by stellar graphs. Since chris appears to have ceased paying off the money he owes this is the background that we dug up on him.
From the first page of his staking thread we find that his stars account is specopskirbs. Searching for that account name brings up PartTimePoker in which he was slow sending back stake profits and stake. That account name also brought up blackhatworldscamwhere he charged 10$ to do some coding and didn't follow through.
http://www.warriorforum.com/members/specopkirbs.html shows where he did a program and guys paid for it and authentification server was turned off so they couldnt use it.


Luckily Jon had got hold of his facebook while it was still active and knew that his GF MOD Edit: I have chosen to remove his girlfriends Facebook/name and picture.
was XXX. Account details and pictures all matched


MOD EDIT: All family member profiles and information has been removed. We know these details and can supply contact for them if someone scammed by Chris needs it. However we felt this was not fair on them although it did prove Chris was a real person.


That is the background stuff that we have found out . Now to deal with some of the claims that chris has made in his sob stories. He claimed that he has been unable to stay in contact because his phone is crappy and he couldn't get an internet connection. This doesn't explain why he was regularly playing on his donkmeAAK acount on PKR as shown by his tournament results on sharkscope.Attached Image

Chris claimed that he was unable to send because skrill had restricted his account. Jon was able to confirm that his account had no restrictions on it.Chris also posted a screenshot showing his reply to skrill asking them to get it sorted asap. Interesting part of that screenshot is where it refers to "halifax -print friendly statement.pdf" . why would a skrill reply form have reference to halifax ( a UK bank) . it looks to us that that was just a dummy response using a halifax reply page. Moving on to 5th march , chris said that he had been for a job interview in london . Sharkscope however reveals that he was playing on pkr at lunctime
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some more checking reveals that chris reset his sharkscope stats on march 4th for skypoker.looking at his accounts across all networks reveals Attached Image. as you can see , he has had 3 accounts on PKR including his donkmeaak account. Multiple accounts on party but he did say that he had bwin . There is a specopkirbs on stars but also a specopkirbs1 account was played on as well. It appears that chris is not above multi accounting on sites.

in april chris was playing on his kirbsuk83 party poker account and had 268$ of buyins and 157.70$ of wins all while he was "struggling " to repay.then April and may Chris swapped to his specopkirbs account on party and spent 461.73$ on buyins to win 405$
Posted 3 years ago*
I could totally be misunderstanding so bear with me.

It's a disgrace obviously what people do for a quick buck and they need outing within the community to stop them doing it again and hopefully to deter others from following suit.

I do personally feel though that looking into and outing family members and details of them and girlfriends is out of order. On a worldwide forum aswell,they probably have no idea what he's done and are clearly nothing to do with it. It feels all a little bit dirty to be mentioning family members.The OP said details of the seller/crook would be posted which is 100% fine but when we start talking families and towns etc it becomes wrong.

I wouldn't want my family mentioned on the internet and I've done nothing wrong.

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