To say at this Post this is for PLO2 and PLO5........ funnily enough its a totally different at PLO10.... there the % are completely different.... It´s almost like the Pokersides know that the most People use a Pokertracker and here they can not handle discretionary ..... and how I see at your graphs that you have same problem at PLO4 but on PLO10 not.... and the most of your Videos are made at PLO25 and above.

But Problem is... some guys don´t have the Bankroll to go directly to PLO10 (with a good bankrollmanagement). So they try to go through all Levels and will be disbelief in their skills (and then they can say that this is totally normal because of variance).

Only to show you now a hand from last session.... I know you will say that this happens sometimes. But I can definitly say that such hands happens to me over and over. not sometimes... this kind of hand comming again and again... and again against one known Winner who has every time (90%) such a luck against me. He always makes his aggression. it´s almost like he know that he will win if he show aggression... and the best is... he always hit .

Seat 1: Hero ($5.55 in chips)
Seat 2: makarrakom ($2.33 in chips)
Seat 3: postbote82 ($0.89 in chips)
Seat 4: DaGruinder ($10.14 in chips)
Seat 5: tzuhsuan ($2.01 in chips)
Seat 6: streetbon ($1.52 in chips)
makarrakom: posts small blind $0.01
postbote82: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [9d Ks Ad Kc]
DaGruinder: raises $0.05 to $0.07
tzuhsuan: folds
streetbon: folds
Hero: calls $0.07
makarrakom: folds
postbote82: calls $0.05
*** FLOP *** [5d 8c Jd]
postbote82: checks
DaGruinder: bets $0.21
Hero: calls $0.21
postbote82: raises $0.61 to $0.82 and is all-in
DaGruinder: raises $2.06 to $2.88
Hero: calls $2.67
*** TURN *** [5d 8c Jd] [Qd]
DaGruinder: bets $6.58
Hero: calls $2.60 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($3.98) returned to DaGruinder
*** RIVER *** [5d 8c Jd Qd] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DaGruinder: shows [Jc 3s 3h Js] (a full house, Jacks full of Eights)
Hero: shows [9d Ks Ad Kc] (a flush, Ace high)
DaGruinder collected $9.11 from side pot
postbote82: shows [9h 7h Ac Th] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
DaGruinder collected $2.59 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12 Main pot $2.59. Side pot $9.11. | Rake $0.30
Board [5d 8c Jd Qd 8d]
Seat 1: Hero (button) showed [9d Ks Ad Kc] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: makarrakom (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: postbote82 (big blind) showed [9h 7h Ac Th] and lost with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 4: DaGruinder showed [Jc 3s 3h Js] and won ($11.70) with a full house, Jacks full of Eights
Seat 5: tzuhsuan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: streetbon folded before Flop (didn't bet)

As I called the Flop raise from DaGruinder my equity was 32% and Pot odds where 39% (also against his hitted set).... after the Turn I had 72% (against 2 Player and also against 28 from DaGruinder).

That is why I have no more fun about learning or Playing online.... cause how I told you such hands happens over and over and over and I never!!!!!!!!!! win such hands..... and this can mathematicly not be over such a huge timeframe.

This is definitly made from this Pokerside (for me with an loosing accout)

Not sure why you're arguing that plo2-plo4 is not beatable because of the sites. And if it were just don't play online.
I've been learning the game for a few months, starting from 0 knowledge of plo at plo2, and my graph goes up. That's 90% plo2, all played on MPN. Keep in mind a good player from the start would get much better results there.
You know the craziest thing? The more I work on my game, the higher my graph goes.

Nice that you are one of the lucky guys on the side you Play..... your $EV is lower that your really winning so this means you had also luck over the 38000 hands. normally you should have less winning (almost 1000BB).

But this exactly is the Point .... my All-in Adj. line goes higher and higher ..... and my winning line goes lower and lower .... this means I play mathematically good Poker cause my expected value I should have over the time should be higher then my real win.

Only for today I have in PLO2 over 2392 hands a winning/loosing of - 6.43 $ ...... but my $EV Difference is + 16.73 $. This means I run only for today 5 BI under my expected value..... and this I have every day!!!!!!.... While my Orange Line goes through the ceiling - my green line falls every day.... So it´s not because of I´m not working on my game (I analyse every day my hands I played and watch almost every day a new taktik video). But I see every time the same at the Hands I play.... every time the money is all in on the Turn and I have a Equity of more than 70% ---- I loose. And this is not because I´m not working on my game .... every Pro would say If you have a equity of over 70% on the Turn then money should go in .... then you win over long term. But for me exactly the difference happens.... I loose and loose and loose.... also with this 70% chances (I play tight and if I normally have not the value to call or raise I fold)...

Totally agree with you Kreativ Joker.Email Support or Live chat as you have one of the accounts that is set to lose.
Easily sorted though if you email support and ask them to switch you over.

Youll be winning again in no time.

Sad thing is that due the variance, some of us are incredibly unlucky. When you enter 10bb/100 winrate to variance simulator, you can see that most simulations make profit. But there are some that are going down, despite their expected value is 10bb/100 profits. This can happen due to being unlucky in all-in situations and getting coolers and setups. In this simulator it made 20 simulations, and I clicked it couple of times to get the worst run go negative. So in a way, one out of hundred winning players will have a run like to brown line (worst) has in here:



What I am saying is that it is possible that OP is just incredibly unlucky. If the total sample size is under 100K hands, it's more likely than if the same case is after 300K hands. But for most recreationals getting even 100K hands is a loooong time.

Theory of PLO2 being rigged is just absurd. Why would PokerStars make you a losing player, as the winning goes to another player (not the PokerStars)? To make at least a little sense that opponent should be run by PokerStars. So you are claiming that PokerStars has bots/house players at PLO2 and PLO5, who can see future cards and/or manipulate rng (=future cards). But they don't exist at PLO10 or higher as tracking softwares would detect them.

First question is why? Of course after Black Friday we can't think that "they are not cheating as they already make a lot of money without cheating" as human greed is a powerful force. But if they actually would risk the whole business by doing that, why would they settle down for PLO2 where they can make few dollars while at the same time there are tables where they can make thousands of dollars in single hands? Or in tournaments where the detection is even harder?

If someone is clever and greedy enough to run a scam to risk the multi-billion money making business, it just doesn't make sense to risk those billions to win couple of hundred bucks.

And as always, how stupid can one be if he knows that games are rigged but still plays them? Change site. Or are you saying that every network, every skin and every game provider is in the same collusion where they all scam money from PLO2?

If you are running 280 buyins under EV then there are only 3 options:
- Your tracking software is broken (likely)
- There's something fishy going on (unlikely)
- You are unlucky (VERY unlikely)

I know that there are bots at PLO that run over EV in trackers as they know mucked holecards (and therefore have more information than the tracking software for probablities) and I know that they can be playing at micros too. So to say that when someone is running way over EV it's 100% due to luck, that isn't necessarily the truth. But hundreds of buyins...

Please post the graphs of your opponents and you, so we can continue the discussion.

Do I get this right? You say that you have observed 20 tables for 12 hours a day, for two months? Just by watching and didn't use any tracking software?