A5s , tripple barrel bluff

Posted 7 years ago

Are you fireing the river?

I felt like the most likely hands for him to have is any kind of 2 pair combo or maybe a set, my value range is KQ and AK suited , dont know.

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Posted 7 years ago
Not liking the c/r on the flop, its never a great plan to check raise when villain has a V strong range which he will have here most of the time. Villain has most nutted combos that can smooth call and allow you to keep bluffing, 2 pairs and sets that likely wont fold flop turn or river on blanks, as well as the types of hand he has, pair plus straight draw.

The only time your getting folds is when the flush gets there or when he has something like AQ or QTs and we get a blank turn and river, obviously that's not a great plan for our hand. You might get a stack when he has KQ with K of clubs when the flush rolls in and obviously when he has KQcc QTcc that doesn't rr the flop.

As played probably not firing Turn, defo not firing River.

Personally Id be either C betting with a plan on barrelling good turns and rivers or check calling for deception.
Posted 7 years ago
if you want to make him fold, best line is to lead flop and check raise turn and jam river as played no way that he is folding K, becouse you never check raise AK on the flop
Posted 7 years ago
I don't mind the turn so much as I expect we fold most their hands without a K, once called I'm giving up. I like a cbet on this flop over c-r as we kind of have to fold if they come over the top and we lose our equity.
Posted 7 years ago
It's tough to believe you would risk this flop checking around if you had a monster. Also villain's range smacks this board quite well so you're going to get looked up quite often.

As played I wouldn't fire the river as you shouldn't have AK. I just don't see him believing you.
Posted 7 years ago
kuca86: if you want to make him fold, best line is to lead flop and check raise turn and jam river as played no way that he is folding K, becouse you never check raise AK on the flop


Lol i am not trying to make him fold a king Smile thats suicide
Posted 7 years ago
Turlock: It's tough to believe you would risk this flop checking around if you had a monster. Also villain's range smacks this board quite well so you're going to get looked up quite often.

As played I wouldn't fire the river as you shouldn't have AK. I just don't see him believing you.



Well believe it lol, if we check the flop as PFR ppl fire a very high % of the time, alot of times he just fold to my raise OTF and i dont see him having many kings that just call OTF, if hes got KQ he's putting in the 3rd bet.
Posted 7 years ago*
Harvie: I don't mind the turn so much as I expect we fold most their hands without a K, once called I'm giving up. I like a cbet on this flop over c-r as we kind of have to fold if they come over the top and we lose our equity.


check raising with the NFD as the PFR im pretty sure is a more profitable line, since when we check ppl fire close to 100% and fold alot to raises. This exact board texture maybe isnt the best choice but in general its a very good strategy.
Posted 7 years ago
Curl-1-out: Not liking the c/r on the flop, its never a great plan to check raise when villain has a V strong range which he will have here most of the time. Villain has most nutted combos that can smooth call and allow you to keep bluffing, 2 pairs and sets that likely wont fold flop turn or river on blanks, as well as the types of hand he has, pair plus straight draw.

The only time your getting folds is when the flush gets there or when he has something like AQ or QTs and we get a blank turn and river, obviously that's not a great plan for our hand. You might get a stack when he has KQ with K of clubs when the flush rolls in and obviously when he has KQcc QTcc that doesn't rr the flop.

As played probably not firing Turn, defo not firing River.

Personally Id be either C betting with a plan on barrelling good turns and rivers or check calling for deception.


In general check raising NFDs is great, on this exact board texture maybe you are right.
Posted 7 years ago
Flop

Flop smashes V's range -> mandatory check on the flop with whole range. You could CR your KQ's and some sets, but I think you are better off calling your range OTF. If you CR, you can play all of your combodraws and some nutflushdraws like this aswell.

Turn

You want to do a lot of checking on this card.. All of your sets and two pairs at least. You could keep barreling your KQ, AKcc & AKhh combos. Not sure of your best bluffing candidates... Might take another look at this hand later.

If you bet, you need to use bigger sizing. At least 23$ to setup as shove OTR.

River

Seems spewy, don't see you getting a whole lot of folds, espesially because you block most of his missed draws with the Ac.

Posted 7 years ago
I think the third barrel is mandatory here. He shouldnt have many Kx in his range. Dont think he calls K9s or KTo pre. Not sure he defends AK after c/r if he flatted pre. And if he also 3bets flop with KQ there not that many Kx in his range on the river.

On the other hand i think he can play alla 99,TT,JJ like this. Also T9s JTs QJs.

We need him to fold 50% of the time with the river bet. He will have 15 combos of sets and 2p. Maybe we can get some fold from 88 or 89s if he decided to play them like this.

So this decision is much about how we think he will play his KQ. If we think he 3bets them on the flop I would go ahead and bet the river too.
Posted 7 years ago
Prostaker: I think the third barrel is mandatory here. He shouldnt have many Kx in his range. Dont think he calls K9s or KTo pre. Not sure he defends AK after c/r if he flatted pre. And if he also 3bets flop with KQ there not that many Kx in his range on the river.

On the other hand i think he can play alla 99,TT,JJ like this. Also T9s JTs QJs.

We need him to fold 50% of the time with the river bet. He will have 15 combos of sets and 2p. Maybe we can get some fold from 88 or 89s if he decided to play them like this.

So this decision is much about how we think he will play his KQ. If we think he 3bets them on the flop I would go ahead and bet the river too.



finally someone who understands my though process Cheeky
Posted 7 years ago
Hmmm I'm still not sure about the check raise with nut flush draw on this wet of a board that smashes villains range, we've already got a few club combo draws we can check raise and I'd rather throw in the other pair plus gutshot or back door flush draw type hands as check raise semi bluffs - hands that somewhat block villains already strong flop range.

I actually think this hand is quite complex from the flop decision onwards, I really like the idea of check calling flop with some nut flush draw ocassionally in today's games and getting creative on different run outs.

We need a plan for A2s to A7s I don't think c/r is the best option, open for discussion though.

Do agree now that once you've check raised and bet turn you do have to follow through to get him to fold his 2 pair and sets as the boss is saying 😊