5NL - AJ vs. donk bets

Posted 7 years ago

Anon table.

1. We open .15c from MP, SB calls. We see this flop and SB donks into us. I think my usual play here is to raise and try and build a pot, but I wanted to reevaluate this spot here to see if it's not the best line. Thoughts?

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2. Hero calls. We see this turn and SB donks again. Hero?

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3. Hero calls again. SB checks this time. Hero?

3.1. (alternate line) If SB fired a 3rd bet here, Hero?

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Posted 7 years ago*
If they were donking bigger I like calling more, but it's kind of small. The downside to raising is that we have the board crushed and there's few value hands they can have.

Thinking more about the hand I just go ahead and raise big here hoping they call with Ax or some type of combo draw. If they fold then they really didn't have much and we'd only have won a small pot.


3. I'd bet around pot hoping they call with Ax putting us on a draw.

3.1. Would defo call at least, don't think I'd raise because while I think we have the best hand, don't expect worse to call our raise unless it's a click it back or something.
Posted 7 years ago*
In my experience, as of late, these flop leads are draws. They can, however, be strong hands or total air. Against draws, I think it prefers a raise. I see a lot of these go bet flop bet turn X/F river, when the draws miss. So I think you want to get more money in now while they are still chasing.

Occasionally, they will be total air, especially on A hi board. I think they like using the A as a scare card to get folds. If you call flop they will usually check the turn. Against those I still think raising is fine. Sure they will fold some percentage of the time, but if that is the case they probably weren't going to put much more money in anyhow unless they hit something on the turn.

Just think you have a clear value raise on the flop.

3.Definitely bet. Big if you think he has Ax. Could go smaller if you think he is on Kx or Jx somehow, to try and get hero called by these.

3.1 I think I agree with Harvie. I would definitely be calling. Hand too strong to fold unless you have a major read on this player. I don't think you can raise to a triple barrel, but maybe. They still have a fair amount of sets. AK is possible as well. Some guys won't 3bet that SBvMP and that is another hand type I have seen with the flop donk, top pair.

Edit: Didn't see the sizing. Definitely think this is a FD now. I think he is sizing small to buy his flush cheap. If he hits he will just pile money in when he does.
Posted 7 years ago
1) The disadvantage of raising in this spot is that due to the nature of combinatorics it's super hard for the opponent to have anything that would like to play for a raise and you're possibly undercutting the value that you'd get from the part of the range that would lead again on the turn but will fold to a raise. That being said at NL5 pot management trumps most of the other considerations when you're near the top of your range since the severity of the mistakes an average micro stakes player will make is high when compared to higher limits. So yeah, by all means, you should raise the flop and you'll be surprised how loose some NL5 opponents will call you here.

2) This is opponent dependant. K completes the gutshot and overall it's better to raise on the flop but against particularly bad opponents I'd still do it. That being said calling might be better by default.

3) Easy bet for value given that it makes no sense for monsters not to bet again and most of the draws missed.

3.1) You're close enough to the top of your range and your hand is underrepresented enough to make that a relatively easy call.