XToTheZ32

This is my thought about the hand when I was playing i would like to hear your thought too

When he donks the flop i range for him was a draw or two pair or top pair or set
when he bets again on the turn I narrow down to two pair , top pair or set.After he checks the river I remove the two pair and set from he's range and a narrow down to KQ-QJ . because I think that AQ is 3 bet a lot from SB and after that thought I kwen that if he was KQ or QJ when I check he will win so I was thinking of play that I could make him fold so I decided to make a big bet.
After he call it after a 30 sec tank I started thinkig about my play so my question is shoud the river bet be over bet like $ 2,00 - 2,15 ? and that I didn't represent much - 9 combos of set ot the flop and 32 combos of top pair - AQ - KQ for value and maybe two pair combos - QT -
$0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players

SB: $6.93
BB: $6.30
UTG: $5.00
CO: $6.17
Hero (BTN): $5.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop:(pot: $0.07)Hero has Q9

Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop:($0.45, 3 players)102Q
SB bets $0.25 fold, Hero calls $0.25

Turn:($0.95, 2 players)6
]SB bets $0.45 Hero calls $0.45

River:($1.85, 2 players)6
SB checks, Hero bets $1.65 SB calls $1.65

Showdown :
SB shows - QJ

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No no no no no no no no no!!!!!

When he donks he can have draws, TP maybe two pair maybe sets. When he bets again OTT (but again small) he can still have that entire range.

River he never folds a Q OTR and probably never calls with worse soooo the bet is awful. Trying to get a 5nl player to fold TP on a pretty dry board like this is setting money a light very quickly.

I agree trying to get someone to fold TP at this level won't work out for you. Combined with the fact he donk bet into you, indicating a weaker player, I don't think you ever get better to fold.

I think you can be much wider with his range though. I'd expect to see some strong hands but many hands similar to yours (TP meh kicker), some 2nd pairs, every draw you can think of on this board and frankly probably some stuff like bottom pair or pocket 8s as well. Once you get to the river I think you do fine against that range since there's only a few hands that check and beat you, mainly KQ QJ. You beat everything else so I think a check back works great.

I usually raise the flop in these spots with top pair to avoid a yucky call down. Villain will call with all his draws and possibly not give you credit and pay out two streets of value with a second or third pair in a slightly bloated pot.

As played I think your value bet on the river is too thin and a check back is fine once two streets of money has already gone in.

Turlock: I usually raise the flop in these spots with top pair to avoid a yucky call down. Villain will call with all his draws and possibly not give you credit and pay out two streets of value with a second or third pair in a slightly bloated pot.

As played I think your value bet on the river is too thin and a check back is fine once two streets of money has already gone in.

It wasn't a value bet! It was a bluff otr

Just check it back and get to showdown.

When you have top pair here, you don't need to be turning your hand into a bluff. Just check this back since he's never folding a Q if a weaker player and I just don't think this is the right spot to make this type of play, it's hard for you to rep much either.

Grocker6: When you have top pair here, you don't need to be turning your hand into a bluff. Just check this back since he's never folding a Q if a weaker player and I just don't think this is the right spot to make this type of play, it's hard for you to rep much either.

I agree with you that i cant rep alot here and I think this is the main problem with this play

Likely betting ~ 65c is better than checking it back. We can be called by smaller Qx, Tx, and still get called by QJ+ so there is some value to be made still with top pair poor kicker. Also, people HATE folding to sub 1/3rd pot bets.... It is like putting a tiny splinter of a thought in their brain that maybe they got bluffed and this can affect how they play later hands.

I think I check it back on the river, Qx is never folding. I would say along with draws and TP his donk can also be AT or A2. I see a lot of donks with hands like that. Not sure of the logic but thats common for me. I actually would like what Josh suggests, the really thin bet apart from the paired river which means the kicker won't play so he his Qx either beat you or chop. Missed draws and smaller pairs I doubt can call either so specifically here it doesn't help much.

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