6max 100NL how do i play theese spots?? i felt lost so i just folded :D

Posted 8 years ago

I guess i could definitly be ahead?? maybe?? something like 98 barreling off or something, help me out here, how do we play theese spots...

Can i fold the flop??

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Posted 8 years ago
Interesting! I only play 10nl, but just gonna go ahead and verbalize my thoughts anyway. It will probably help me more than you, but who knows, maybe some stuff I say will make sense and maybe some of it will be horribly wrong and someone can correct me and help you in the process.

Where I am from, this happens a fair amount and its pretty confusing to me. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to raise boards like this from my perspective. At first glance it looks like a pretty harmless board. Most guys I play this with either do this with sets or pretty much nothing. The nothing comes from the fact that you raised UTG and this doesn't really hit your range very well, obviously, so guys I play with will just raise to knock you off the hand.

So I decided to look at it like this. You block tens, so you got 1 combo of TT, 3 of 77, and 3 of 44, for 7 combos of nutted hands as I don't think they have any 2 pair here. Guys I play will do this with JJ sometimes too and QQ if they didn't 3bet it. I think maybe at 100nl QQ might get 3bet here though. I don't know for sure though. They do it for protection as they assume you have a lot of Ax, Kx, and Qx and they don't want you to draw out on them, however good or bad that may be.

Next you have 98s, like you mention, which you have 4 combos of. Need to ask yourself if guys would be capable of calling 56s pre, if so that is 4 more combos of draws. Would they be calling things like J9s and J8s pre and then raising gutshots, if so you have some more bluffs.

I think its close, for me. Seems pretty crazy that we are folding TPTK, even though it isn't that great. I guess the challenge is if we call he has a less than PSB on the river and I think there are a fair amount of players at your stakes that can shove there, so you could just be setting money on fire if you aren't willing to take it to the felt. I am sure there are other considerations like balance and exploitation at your stakes, but I don't have enough knowledge of that stuff so hopefully someone can add something about it.

I personally think I would be calling the turn and deciding river, probably folding to a shove, which may be horrible, but guys I play don't typically have the balls to bluff shove the river so I don't have to worry about making difficult bluff catching decisions on the river as often. I think the more draws or bluffs you can come up with the easier it is to make the call. If you only think he would be doing this with 98s as a semi bluff and the rest is nutted, then I think folding might be ok

As sidenote, I probably wouldn't be opening ATo from UTG. I know some guys do though and it is close, so its kind of player dependant.

Posted 8 years ago
Hmmmm I don't think we can fold to the turn bet. Unlikely villain raises a set otf and definitely not any other one pair hand for value and even if he does he probably has plenty of back doors and SD to make our call fine. That being said the turn sizing looks a lot like value town. I wouldn't fold OTT tho and would have tobknow about villain to call or fold OTR.
Posted 8 years ago
CrazyCookie: Hmmmm I don't think we can fold to the turn bet. Unlikely villain raises a set otf and definitely not any other one pair hand for value and even if he does he probably has plenty of back doors and SD to make our call fine. That being said the turn sizing looks a lot like value town. I wouldn't fold OTT tho and would have tobknow about villain to call or fold OTR.


Makes sence, but i do run into sets from ppl raising dry flops , playing this OOP most likely facing a river bet and i havent played long with him and anonymous, i felt like just giving up, avoid the tough spot Cheeky
Posted 7 years ago
Yeah, keeping it simple certainly has its merits Cheeky

What is your flop cbet range and then plan for turn and river here?

I find these boards perfect for barrelling and then betting huge otr as villains range will be so capped. If we do so with 77 44 JJ+ AT then with all our Broadway's excluding some AK we can x/c I don't think villain can do much. We can even just overbet shove with 77 44 JJ+ ATs then with like 30 bluff combos?
Posted 7 years ago*
ProJondi: ...playing this OOP most likely facing a river bet and i havent played long with him and anonymous, i felt like just giving up, avoid the tough spot :P


Fold pre if that is the case. ATo UTG is not a strong hand.... the general poker population IMO think it is stronger than it actually is.
Posted 7 years ago
ATo is probably a little loose for UTG unless you have a big edge post flop.

As played I'm folding the flop. Multiway and villain sees you open from EP he's probably not expecting too many folds from you once you c bet into two players. OOP is a factor too if you want to peel once.
Posted 7 years ago
In my opinion ATo is a very borderline hand, and it can be played when the table conditions are right (players call a lot of raises with weak aces). I do not think that is the case in NL100 very often. I do not play this limit, but this is what I assume.
Posted 7 years ago
+1 to the ATo isn't great UTG train.

This is a spot where I could probably be talked into both a call and a fold.

Folding is probably exploitable since you're pretty far up in your range. That being said...

I'd probably just fold. It's really hard for him to have a lot of bluffs from these positions. 98s I guess works but since it's UTG vs CO I don't expect to see much else like J9s, 65s or 86s. A lack of bluffs (which all have equity) + he can have sets and maybe JJ leads to a pretty ugly spot equity wise. It's also a spot where I don't think the average player takes aggressive bluff lines in general.

That being said, if you have any info on villain being looser I don't mind a flop call and potentially just calling down all the way depending on the player.