Jef147

The 20nl games on BV are such a nitty yawn fest is this actually a fold pre..?? Pretty frustrated

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$0.10/$0.20 No Limit Holdem Prima
6 Players

Blinds$0.10/$0.206
UTG Player 3 $20.48
UTG+1Hero $42.64
CO Player 5 $18.43
D Player 6 $39.73
SB Player 1 $21.60
BB Player 2 $21.73

Preflop
6$0.30Hero is UTG+1KK
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, 1 fold, Player 6 raises to $2.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.50, Player 6 goes all-in $37.33, Hero calls$33.63

Flop
2$79.76, 1 all-in 2JJ

Turn
2$79.76, 1 all-in 8

River
2$79.76, 1 all-in 9

Final Pot$79.76
Hero shows KK
Player 6 shows AA

Player 6 wins $79.16 (net +$39.43)
Hero lost$33.63

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This hand is not a fold pre because I'd have called the 3bet instead of 4betting. At 25nl I can't remember the last time I saw a reg with all in with less than KK 200bb pre flop.

You should ask yourself the question of what will you do if they 5bet you? If you're thinking about folding then call pre flop.

As played when you do 4bet, I am folding to the jam, expecting to see AA most of the time and 10% of the time KK.

I think you are simplifying this way to much Harvie. What if he 3bet 20% and calls 4bet all the time. Dont you want to 4bet then?

I think 4bet is standard and when we get 5 bet AI we need to get it in.

I will flat the 3bet sometimes vs unknown and there are some players that calling the 3bet is better against.

Harvie: This hand is not a fold pre because I'd have called the 3bet instead of 4betting. At 25nl I can't remember the last time I saw a reg with all in with less than KK 200bb pre flop.

You should ask yourself the question of what will you do if they 5bet you? If you're thinking about folding then call pre flop.

As played when you do 4bet, I am folding to the jam, expecting to see AA most of the time and 10% of the time KK.

Yes this is a far too simplified approach! We only have to play about with a program like pokerstove to clearly see why we 4 bet hands that we are not neccesarily happy to GII! Reason being that there is a huge difference between a 3 betting and a 5 betting range! There are 3 possible outcomes after we 4 bet and 2 of them we are really happy with and even the 3rd we are not completely unhappy about! Plus If you only 3 bet/4 bet hands you are happy to call re raises with then your range is going to be completely value heavy!

Back to the point I really think his range is KK+, AKs which is why I lean toward a fold!

I can see folding this pre roughly 200bb deep especially if you had some info on your opponent. That being said I feel that as soon as we get into super narrow ranges like KK+ spazz factor becomes an important consideration and given the NL20 setting I'd have a lot of trouble justifying hero folding KK against an average opponent.

I don't mind the 4 bet at all, but I would fold once he shoves without a read he's a bad player.

Most regs at these stakes will call with QQ JJ AK once you 4 bet so deep. 5 bet ranges are still on the whole QQ+ AK at best, and in a lot of cases KK+ only. For 100bb we generally can't fold in a 6 max game but here although it's exploitable population tendenices allow you to get away with it.

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