Live NL100 QQ

Posted 8 years agoEdited 8 years ago

Hi. So shortly after the hand I posted a few minutes ago (go check it out!) another spot came up.

So I'm about 180 bb deep. Tag1 - guy from the last hand - opens to £8 UTG + 1. He is very tight and has about 500bb. Gets a couple calls. I'm in the SB with QQ. Looking back I should've made it about £25 in this spot but given how tight this guy was and he had me covered I flatted. First mistake imo. He had only 4b AA and KK so far. I had seen him flat with AK so I quite like the idea of 3 betting and folding to a 4 bet vs this guy. But I really don't hate the call given we're deep, he's pretty decent and in position versus me with a strong range.

The guy in UTG - call him Tag2 - had straddled and called. He was also super tight and super deep. Flop came 9s2d2s. UTG checks, UTG + 1 cbets for 13, folds to me, I flat, UTG X Raises to £48. Tag1 tanks for over a minute then folds. I do pretty much the exact same.

Again vs. 99 and 2x I've about 10% equity. He could have K2s, A2s and even 23s (seen him play this hand already). Vs. Ax or Kx of spades I'm flipping. I'm only doing well if he's overplaying A9/TT or something like that. But given how tight he was I don't think this is the case so I folded.

Similar to my last thread I am wondering if the play is to peel 1 OOP or just fold. Never shoving here vs. Tag1 / Tag2. They are just too tight.

Cheers guys n gals. 2 hero folds in the space of 5 minutes - pretty tilting Wink
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Posted 8 years ago
I'm not folding QQ on 922 flop for a bet one raise. Unless you have a solid read that they are very nitty and are only doing this with a 2, I'm calling the raise. It makes little sense for anyone to raise a 2 on this flop, they would most likely be calling.
Posted 8 years ago
Harvie: I'm not folding QQ on 922 flop for a bet one raise. Unless you have a solid read that they are very nitty and are only doing this with a 2, I'm calling the raise. It makes little sense for anyone to raise a 2 on this flop, they would most likely be calling.


If I call there'd be about £140 in the pot leaving me about £150 behind. I suppose on a non spade turn if he half pots it, I just have to decide whether to go along with my QQ or not - All in or fold at this point?

And yes he was really nitty and had only raised previously when he had it. But could easily have had the FD at this point. My point being that he has no air hands and I don't think he's overplaying TPTK or TT.
Posted 8 years ago
Pre: If you don't pop this up, it's as if you're setmining. Which I think we can all agree is ridiculous. Your read is that V1 is practically playing his cards face up, and if he doesn't have any light 4bets in his range, take advantage of that. He'll let you know if it's AA/KK or not. Everyone else, dead money, don't let them hit a wonky 2p.

V2: People defend straddles with all kinds of crap. I have no idea why, but absolute garbage they'd never play, if they straddled they defend. Usually they think, "I'm closing the action/pot odds/yolo." OTF, If he really is "super-tight", he'll just overcall with middle PP, non-NFD, often even NFD. Supertight don't get excited about 300BB 3-street semibluffs they way we online degens do. Yes, you are severely underrepped, but still....

Online a 2 checks back b/c we can count on more aggression from OR, and in order to gii it's only 100BB. Here, if he has A2, or even 32, he's hoping OR has AA and won't let it go. Otherwise he flats here, and a blank turn checks around, river will go bet, call, and he will cry a little inside for all the missed value. The only way to get 500BB in the middle is to start early.

Either your read is wrong and he's not super-tight, or your read is fine and you can let it go. I lean towards the latter.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not nearly good enough at either live or online play to give anyone advice, but I do play enough of both to know that they are almost completely different games. Just cuz someone takes what would be an awesome bluff line that we would expect to see online, we can't level ourselves like that at a casino. Completely different players. We're not up against some 24-year old from Belarus who streams League of Legends on twitch while 12-tabling NL25. The guy in this hand has a retirement fund and life insurance.
Posted 8 years ago
DISCLAIMER 2: While I want to keep myself aware of possible recency bias, here's a hand from my session at live 1/2 last night. This is what I wrote in my poker diary:

"88 CO 1 limper, I raise to 10. BB ABC Indian guy age 30 or so, makes it 30. Only has about 120 back. MAWG spewtard calls, I overcall. Flop 442, BB shoves 120 into 85. He looked nervous, I wanted to call, had to talk myself out of it. Tank-fold. He showed AA. I hadn't seen him make a move all night. I only called cuz MAWG had 250 or so. I was setmining, next time that's an easy fold. "

Online no one would dream of overshoving such a dry flop, so it's easy to think it's possibly a scared-bully move, and basically it becomes a maths problem. Live, you have some guys who are actively trying to lose their stack, and you can snap them off, and then you have the nits, and you can trust them to tell you where you're at.

1. Know your opponents.
2. Play solid, patient TAG.
3. Money.
Posted 8 years ago
CycleVancouver: DISCLAIMER 2: While I want to keep myself aware of possible recency bias, here's a hand from my session at live 1/2 last night. This is what I wrote in my poker diary:

"88 CO 1 limper, I raise to 10. BB ABC Indian guy age 30 or so, makes it 30. Only has about 120 back. MAWG spewtard calls, I overcall. Flop 442, BB shoves 120 into 85. He looked nervous, I wanted to call, had to talk myself out of it. Tank-fold. He showed AA. I hadn't seen him make a move all night. I only called cuz MAWG had 250 or so. I was setmining, next time that's an easy fold. "

Online no one would dream of overshoving such a dry flop, so it's easy to think it's possibly a scared-bully move, and basically it becomes a maths problem. Live, you have some guys who are actively trying to lose their stack, and you can snap them off, and then you have the nits, and you can trust them to tell you where you're at.

1. Know your opponents.
2. Play solid, patient TAG.
3. Money.


Yeah feels more like AK to me. People do weird things live..
Posted 8 years ago
I know, right? I'm so conditioned by online lines that even though he showed me AA, I'm still only half-convinced I made a good laydown. Cheeky