I'd be x-f on this flop against a fish, don't think we fold any pair and don't want to run a 3 barrel bluff (I expect Jx to call two streets). Also think it's way too thin to get value on the flop with 4th pair.

+1 to check folding this flop. It's an awful board for us and while we have a gutshot to the nuts, we are not going to get paid when we hit it. Trying to continue here seems like a blunder for sure to me.

With my coaching with w34z3l one of the things which we changed was to c bet 100% heads up against a limper, regardless of the board. Even though we expect every Ax combo and stuff which connects, his range should contain enough junk.

If the hand is a standard c bet spot then I agree with the calls for a check fold.