PLO hands

Posted 7 years ago

I am clumping some hands together here rather than making a lot of separate posts. I hope this wall is ok. I am trying to carefully look at correcting some basic errors I may be making. I understand this is a lot here, and some of it may require a simple yes/no answer.

1)

Folded Kc2cQhTh UTG. I am trying to tighten up a bit UTG as non-nut draws and danglers seem to be costing me some. I would normally be potting this UTG. Too tight a fold? More info needed on villains to make the decision?
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$1/$2 Ante $0.40 Pot Limit Omaha Hi PokerStars
2 Players

Blinds$1/$22
SB compro_ouro $592.24
BB NinoPino $200
Preflop
2$5.40Hero is TQ2K
Hero folds
Final Pot$5.40



2)

Completed BB here and feel this is maybe a bit too light of a defend. The pair is weak, the suits are bad, and connectivity is minimal.
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$1/$2 Ante $0.40 Pot Limit Omaha Hi PokerStars
6 Players

Blinds$1/$26
UTG heartleica $277.46
UTG+1 kin77 $300.93
CO ZiWuvdUbtiYd $238.33
D compro_ouro $590.84
SB NinoPino $200
BBHero $204.60
Preflop
6$5.40Hero is BB6265
2 folds, ZiWuvdUbtiYd raises to $9.40, compro_ouro calls $9.40, 1 fold, Hero calls$7.40
Final Pot$31.60



3)

Rag AAxx. I am starting to think a lot of the time this is a hand where it is easier to get into trouble than it is to win a stack.
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
$1/$2 Ante $0.40 Pot Limit Omaha Hi PokerStars
2 Players

Blinds$1/$22
SB ZiWuvdUbtiYd $260.75
BB compro_ouro $579.84
Preflop
2$5.40Hero is AA95
NinoPino folds, Hero raises to $9.40
Final Pot$14.80




4)

Feels a bit weak to be folding here in the BB with so little to put in vs someone who is a 35 22 with 58% steal. I can't really see that many situations occurring where I have their stack off range dominated on boards where I want to checkraise get it in, and I think that most of the time I will be check folding, so I just fold this pre. Too tight?

4a)

Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
$1/$2 Ante $0.40 Pot Limit Omaha Hi PokerStars
6 Players

Blinds$1/$26
UTG heartleica $277.46
UTG+1 kin77 $300.93
CO ZiWuvdUbtiYd $277.82
D compro_ouro $560.72
SB NinoPino $200
BBHero $204.60
Preflop
6$5.40Hero is BB3T79
3 folds, compro_ouro raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero folds
Final Pot$10.40

compro_ouro wins $10.40 (net +$5)


4b)

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$1/$2 Ante $0.40 Pot Limit Omaha Hi PokerStars
5 Players

Blinds$1/$25
UTG heartleica $294.13
CO kin77 $309.62
D compro_ouro $544.72
SB NinoPino $214.20
BBHero $200
Preflop
5$5.00Hero is BBA35Q
2 folds, compro_ouro raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero folds
Final Pot$10

compro_ouro wins $10 (net +$4.60)


5)

Folding flop too tight? I *could* have the best hand but I feel this is hard to profitably get to showdown as I will have little to no idea where I sit on any turn card other than the offsuit jack. I fold flop. Option also to 3b pre. Nino is 23 18 38% steal.

Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
$1/$2 Ante $0.40 Pot Limit Omaha Hi PokerStars
5 Players

Blinds$1/$25
UTG compro_ouro $539.92
CO NinoPino $200
DHero $249.85
SB heartleica $291.33
BB kin77 $308.82
Preflop
5$5.00Hero is BTNT3AK
1 fold, NinoPino raises to $9, Hero calls$9, 2 folds
Flop
2$23Q7A
NinoPino bets $16.38, Hero folds
Final Pot$39.38

NinoPino wins $38.23 (net +$12.45)
Hero lost$9.40


6)

MP with rag big pairs. Fold pre is too tight or ok? the 4h significantly reduces combos of "happy flops."
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
$1/$2 Ante $0.40 Pot Limit Omaha Hi PokerStars
6 Players

Blinds$1/$26
UTG NinoPino $212.05
UTG+1Hero $245.45
CO heartleica $289.53
D kin77 $305.02
SB yutida $200
BB compro_ouro $539.12
Preflop
6$5.40Hero is UTG+1Q4Q9
1 fold, Hero folds, heartleica calls $2, kin77 raises to $9, 2 folds, heartleica calls $7
Flop
2$23.40QJ8
heartleica checks, kin77 checks
Turn
2$23.405
heartleica checks, kin77 bets $16, heartleica folds
Final Pot$39.40

kin77 wins $38.23 (net +$12.83)
heartleica lost $9.40



7)

Nuts to nuts. I am happy to repot the flop here, and potting turn I think is ok, but it is now unlikely given he calls flop and checks turns that I have a freeroll vs KQ. Maybe I could go smaller on the turn and get him to call committed on the river. Likely here he has Q8xx. Maybe turn I could go like $70 instead of full pot to get it in on the turn. Any different line I should look to take here? Villain is 25 17 with an AF of 1.

Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
$1/$2 Ante $0.40 Pot Limit Omaha Hi PokerStars
5 Players

Blinds$1/$25
UTG NinoPino $212
COHero $277.89
D heartleica $265.07
SB kin77 $334.60
BB L0ve2playU $200
Preflop
5$5.00Hero is COQ9KA
1 fold, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, L0ve2playU calls $7
Flop
2$219TJ
L0ve2playU bets $17.75, Hero raises to $53.79, L0ve2playU calls $36.04
Turn
2$128.588
L0ve2playU checks, Hero bets$125.83, L0ve2playU folds
Final Pot$254.41

Hero wins$251.66 (net +$62.64)
L0ve2playU lost $63.19



8)

I regret not Cbetting this board OOP, but JTx seems to hit so much of a raise calling range that I think so often in spite of the KK blockers I bet and get called / shipped on. Critique on this line? Kin77 is 27 17 35% steal and AF 5.

Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
$0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi PokerStars
6 Players

Blinds$0.50/$16
UTG yutida $101.50
UTG+1 SirThomasF $154.96
CO kin77 $100
D mb6803 $104.01
SBHero $100
BB Donbona $93.71
Preflop
6$1.50Hero is SB8KK6
2 folds, kin77 raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $11.50, 1 fold, kin77 calls $8
Flop
2$243JT
Hero checks, kin77 checks
Turn
2$247
Hero checks, kin77 checks
River
2$24A
Hero checks, kin77 bets $8, Hero folds
Final Pot$32

kin77 wins $30.80 (net +$11.30)
Hero lost$11.50



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Posted 7 years ago
Posted 7 years ago
Hands #1 and #3 were 6 handed the converter had an issue.
Posted 7 years ago
I would say that separate posts for each hand or spot is better. Now it's really hard to reply to them all.

Some of the hand histories are a bit strange, like in #2 you say you completed but in the hand history it looks like you called a raise.

To get started, in 1 you can open it. That is 14% by PPT rankings and in RFI12 by PokerJuice rankings.

In 2, if someone has raised and there is a call before you, I would fold.

In 3 I have no idea what happened preflop.

In 4 first one I would fold, second one I would call.

In 5, I would call the flop. Hand is not good enough to 3bet imo.

6 I would fold too pre.

In 7, just call the flop. You don't have to protect your hand.

8, I wouldn't 3bet crappy Kings. You will flop just an overpair so often, and hands that have Ace in them has a lot of equity vs. you if the money goes in.
Posted 7 years ago
Ty Kyyberi I thought it would be easier given they are short questions to lump them together but it looks to be more difficult than if I had just made 8 posts in the forums. The converter for reasons I am unsure of seems to have botched a few of the hands. Likely it doesn't like me deleting part of the HH to shorten it. I couldn't edit it after tagging you and red.

1) I was thinking the 2c dangles too much to really be of use. 7c+ works with the KQT. The hand looks pretty, but I am starting to have concerns that this should not be a UTG open in tougher games.

2) Thanks I called this in the BB thinking it really should be a fold. I think I am playing BB maybe a bit too tighter than I should be from watching vids of others' play.

3) I potted AA95r from HJ. I am wondering if these rainbow rag big pairs actually have value. They seem to be fine in single raised pots where a cbet wins but not much more. They are effectively drawing to only making a set or getting a friendly flop and winning against a check we bet they fold. If we get 3b and 4b they don't have a lot of flop strength, so we are hoping the opponent whiffs the flop and check folds.

4) Ok here the value is the nut suit so A5Q3ddxx has some value HU OOP over the T973xddd.

5) Folding is not an option here? Looks like a spot where we are lost on almost all turns. Are we calling hoping they just check the turn?

6) Were the 4h an 8h+ this is a safe open? QQ98xddx? Is that about the cutoff point?

7) I raised to try to freeroll KQxx. I do not think they would be doing donking flop with combinations of JJxx TTxx JTxx so I thought I would be into other made straights a lot and be able to get it in with a significant edge with the 2 backdoor flush draws and the higher broadway draw. Unfortunately they folded turn. If the board pairs on the turn, do we still go with the read that his likely holdings are straights and revert to call down?

8) Leakbuster has stated a leak is I am not 3b enough decent KKxx QQxx. I guess though this really is on the bottom end of ok KK. Maybe I should revise what I consider ok KKxx. Looking at it I do agree these kings are not great and do not have much going on besides kings.

Thanks for trawling through this.

Ship you $1? Laugh
Posted 7 years ago
I don't know how leakfinder can say that you are not 3betting enough KK/QQ, as those are the exact hands that I would not like to 3bet unless they are premium. Not sure who has made the leakfinder or how it identifies leaks. I have only the trial version so I can't see 3bet stuff, but at preflop it says that "you should not 3bet hands that don't hit the flop often, like bad KKxx". So it sounds strange that later it says you should 3bet KKxx more?
Posted 7 years ago*
Yeah it didn't make a lot of sense to me. I have always taken KKxx / QQxx as having value playing deep to overset people. Leakbuster did specifically identify not 3 betting KKxx QQxx enough as a specific selection of hands. This might be though my tendency with them is to flat almost 85% of KKxx and probably 90% of QQxx. Some super good ones with position I will 3b but even still I view the super good KK QQ as "pulling" hands. Hands that do well multiway and want to "pull" more players into the pot rather than "pushing" hands which benefit from isolation to play HU. Examples of "pulling" KKxx QQxx would be AKKTsxxs QQAJxxcc etc. If I want to call these to encourage more deep multiway action due to their nut components, I was thinking I should be 3 betting more weaker KKxx / QQxx that don't contain the same nut components, like KK86xssx which has a suit and is not really connected. IDK. The more "nutted" KKxx QQxx I will 3b from the blinds but this is to reduce the positional advantage of my opponents by reducing the SPR and making it easier for me to get it in on a lot of flops rather than being deep and allowing them to play position over 3 streets of poker.

PLO is hard lol.
Posted 7 years ago
With a lot of nut potential you will also get the money in with good equity in 3bet pots, as people stack of with a lot wider ranges than in single raised pots. Key things to look for are raisers tendencies in single raised/3bet pots and what kind of players you have in the blinds.