Hey, so you are right about the error, but it's impossible to edit the original post now.
Ok, so we don't appear to have RFI numbers, kinda important, unless I am missing it.
VPIP/PFR look fine.
Fold to 3bet is on the low side. When we look positionally there is something really strange going on, especially in EP. We are folding to 3bets 22.5% in EP and 37.2% in MP. There is basially no way this can be decent unless we are opening way too tight. VPIP/PFR doesn't seem to suggest we are opening super tight or anything. We are folding a lot more in LP. This seems to suggest our call-vs-3bet strategy doesn't change as much as it should be by position. So when we open a wider range in LP we fold more because we start out with a wider range. Anyway, we should be folding around 60% in all positions. Probably a good idea to spend some time reviewing call-vs-3bet ranges. SB fold-to-3bet of 40% will be especially problematic because we are OOP.
CC looks fine over, but a little on the tight side. We could be cold-calling slightly more on the BTN, and significantly more from the BB.
Cbet stats look reasonable, although we are quickly approaching the point where cbet frequently is too high. I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two bad cbets in there with such a frequency.
Fold to cbet stats look fine, so does raise vs flop cbet.
Cbetting strategy in 3bet pot doesn't look super great. Actually it's a little bit similar to single raised pot strategy. We are cbetting the flop a ton and not barreling so much. There is a huge gap between our flop and turn cbet stats making us quite vulnerable to being floated if our opponent knows what is going on. We should likely be being a little bit more selective with our flop cbets in general, and barreling the turn more frequently as a result.
WWSF and WSD are both super low. This is probably caused by a combination of things. We are likely missing some bluffs postflop, but it also appears as if we are calling down too much in some scenarios, given our river call efficiency is 1.03 and should be somewhere between 1.4-1.6. Some of the remaining stats are really difficult to read - notice how some of them have the same stat description (because full description not shown) and have different values. Impossible to do anything with these unless I know exactly what they are showing.
Anyway, to give some examples, delayed cbet is around 53% and should probably be 80% plus at these limits. Bet Turn OOP vs Skip cbet is around 50% and should be more like 70%.
Some of the other stats I have a feeling are slightly different from what was requested. For example check-fold-flop-as-PFR, is probably slightly different from skip-flop-cbet-and-check-fold. But presumably as a result of cbetting too much, when we skip our cbet OOP we will be x/f the vast majority of the time.
A common feature of MSS and SSS players is the positive red-line. There is a reasonable chance that will have at least some effect on your red-line, even if this is not the main reason for it being like that.
VPIP/PFR look fine.
RFI numbers generally look ok, although they are probably too tight. BTN rfi is 42.58%. This should usually be at least 48%, and likely even higher if we are exploiting good steal spots. We should be able to steal considerably more aggressively. Same is true in the SB. We should open around 36% by default, but given that many players are not defending their BB enough vs a SB open we can often get away with having a SB rfi which is above 40. The other positions look fine, although with a RFI of 15.34 from EP, there is the possibility that the occasional light hand slips through the net.
3bet numbers are nice and aggressive, although tbh, the blinds 3bet stats are probably through the roof. I would typically expect to see a healthier 8% from both of the blinds. Probably this is going to be one of the contributing factors to positive red-line. 3betting this aggressively is unecessary and probably just makes the game way tougher than it needs to be. It's really difficult to estimate how much of an impact the MSS hands have though, since I'm not even sure which proportion of this sample are MSS. It's probably most effective to run an effective stack filter and split up the 100bb hands and the 50bb hands.
2bet PF and fold is way too low. Another contributing factor to the high red-line. We should be folding more like 60% in this spot, so we are defending too much against 3bets.
WTSD is at 35% and looks super skewed. Again, could be MSS influence. There is no way it should be this high.
Float flop and Float T stats are too low, should be around 70% each. We are missing some bluff spots
Probe turn and Probe river are also way too low.
Call PF 2bet indicates we are not cold-calling enough hands preflop. Probably partly related to the aggressive 3bet strategy.
Despite RCE efficieny looking ok, fold to river Cbet is ridiculous low. Probably a huge contributing factor to the high red-line is not folding enough rivers.
Anyway, there are a number of possibly really big issues with this DB. Really hard to elabourate perfectly on them unless we first filter out all MSS hands. If the impact of the MSS hands is small, then there are some fundamental errors happening here, so it will usually be necessary to strip your game down back to the basics.
@Exte - I guess I gotta follow the pokerVIP rules on this one, and can't review your stats unless you have at least 10 posts in the forum. It shouldn't take long for you to do this, perhaps you can head on over to the line checks and HH reviews part of the forum.
Just message me here in the thread when you are done and then I can review your B.
Cool, nice sample. Winrate is great also. If you have any leak it's that you should have moved up by now. Doesn't look like good BRM to still be playing NL2 after so long.
UTG rfi looks too high. It's 174 and should be around 13-14%. CO rfi a little on the tight side. BTN is fine. SB is probably too high. It should be high of course, but when we see 70% it's usually likely we are making one or two bad opens amidst all that agression. Can't hurt to review some RFI ranges and general SB stealing strategy.
3bet numbers look pretty tight, not really a big deal for 2nl games. As you think about moving up limits it will be a good idea to look for spots where we can 3bet more aggressively from the blinds and BTN.
Fold to 3bet looks fine.
Squeeze - same as 3bet really. Fine for 2nl, but will be overly tight as we move up in limits.
CC numbers look good. SB at 11.2% looks slightly high, but then again we are not 3betting a lot from the SB so this might be why.
4bet range. Too tight generally, but completely fine for 2nl.
Flop turn and river cbet stats are super low. We are basically playing a very value-oriented strategy right now. It seems as we are not cbetting bluffing a large amount of flops. Again not a problem for 2nl, but will cause some issues as we move up stakes. Even at 2nl, we could be cbetting the flop significantly more often and will likely have a positive impact on our winrate. Seems like a decent amount of work needs to be done on cbetting and barreling strategy.
We can get away with bluff-raising noticeably more vs cbets.
The high WSD and super low WWSF flop, along with the other stats really tell a story. We are basically just playing tight poker for value. There are a number of serious holes in our game, but the style works fine at 2nl, probably even 5nl and 10nl. There will come a point as we move up that big changes need to be made, since this strategy will probably get us destroyed at higher limit games.
Bet flop IP vs skip cbet, way too low. Same for turn and river. We are basically never bluffing in these highly profitable bluff spots. Same for Delayed Turn cbet. Same for Bet turn OOP vs skip cbet.
So yeah, we are basically just playing a super tight value-oriented style. It works fine at 2nl because our opponents are very bad, but better players are going to really be able to take advantage of our leaks.
VPIP/PFR look ok but on the tight side for 6max games. Usually indicates there may be spots where we can open out our game in late position.
When we look at the RFI numbers, we see immediately that this is true. CO RFI is 23.79, BTN RFI is 43.21, and SB RFI is 34.39. These are all extremely tight RFI stats. It basically means that we are open-raising too much for value in late position battles, and not attempting to pick up the blinds more often. Making good use of our opponents "Fold to steal" stats can really help in this regard. BTN RFI should be at least 50, while CO RFI should be at least 26.
Overall preflop 3bet is 5.62%. This is reasonably tight, but not overly so. It should definitely be possible to win with this 3bet frequency,, but we can likely 3bet considerably more from the CO and BTN.
Fold to 3bet is fine at 57.65%.
Cbet flop turn and river are typically too low. We are not cbetting enough flops, and not barreling enough turns aggressively. Probably it's a good idea to try and increase these frequencies. Here on PokerVIP.com there is a 3 part article series I wrote called "Advanced Cbetting". See if you can find it, it should help a lot with this.
Fold to flop and turn cbet stats look ok-ish. Turn looks a little bit too low, and so does river. When we have a river fold to cbet of 38.27%, that's usually a pretty good indication that we are possibly making some bad river calls. People just don't 3barrel light at the lower limit games, so we can only call down with very strong holdings (one pair is nearly always no good).
In 3bet pots we are cbetting the flop noticeably more often, but not barreling the turn that light. This makes us vulnerable to floating. Also, the increased cbet frequency in 3bet pots, may not be because we are more aggressive there, but simply that we are 3betting too tight and strong of a range in the first place.
Float Flop, and Float Turn stats must be higher. We are clearly missing some important bluff-spots, which is one reason for our relatively low WWSF stat. Same for Probe Turn and Probe River. Way too low in general. Same for Delayed T Cbet. (This should even be above 80% for the games you are currently playing).
So basically, main focuses should be opening up more in late position (raising and 3betting), and working on cbetting and barreling strategy. That flop cbet frequency should be more like 65% instead of 48.4%.
Should we be barreling similar frequencies for flop Cb and Turn CB in 3b pots in general or should it be lower in 3b pots?
I'm also wondering what kind of fold flop/turn/river and float flop/turn stats I should be looking for when evaluating my own stats. I think I saw you mention a float flop in NL10 games of something like 60%, does that sound right?
Thank you for taking the time to look at my stats, some food for thought!
I filtered for hands where I had 100bb+ stating stacks (below) and it didn’t change much. I still have a high WTSD.
From what you have said I need to; 1) Open wider from button and SB. 2) Move some hands from my blind 3 betting range to my cold calling range. 3) Defend fewer 3 bets. Which should be helped by opening wider as well as simply defending tighter (should reduce WTSD). 4) Take my probe and float opportunities more often (should reduce WTSD). 5) And folding to turn and river c bets more (should reduce WTSD).
Hi Adam. I have had some great sessions the last 2 weeks and just finished my 20k hands so I could participate in this database analysis. I also reached the bankroll so I can play NL25. I have tried that limit a few times before but all the times I have had to climb down to NL10 again. This time I really think I can stay at NL25, and hopefully even NL50. We will see. I have been playing zoom, NL10, 6-max at Pokerstars and here are my stats and graph.
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Very generous offer, thank you very much for the opportunity and all your efforts. I'm so excited to have my stats analysed by you!
I'm currently 8 tabling zoom at nl5 and nl10. Here are my stats for the last 50k hands (please ignore the hotrun, I think I am only a 2-3 bb/100 winner).
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I have been thinking more on your advice and particularly about fold to c bet stats. Earlier in the thread you recommended a good fold to river c bet stat was 60% (for these limits). If we are folding 60% though, then our opponent can auto profit by betting any/every hand. Assuming people bet somewhere between 1/3-1x pot on the river wouldn't you want to see a fold to c bet of 25- 50% (maybe an average of about 33%)? Now I understand that on some boards our opponent has a range advantage and we can’t profitably defend enough to stop our opponent profitably betting their entire range, but an average of folding 60% seems really high.
So, if what I am saying above is true do you recommend this as a big deviation from theoretical play to exploit a tendency of the population not bluffing the river often?
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