thetallpaul

Seems we are in fairly similar games on Stars. You in the 6max Zoom pool or reg tables at the moment?

After my beating last night I'm going to try to pick up another $150-$200 at a mix of 10NL and 16NL before I have another crack at 25NL.

I'm on reg tables just now. Doing OK there and got BR back to $650 so still a way to go before I have another go at NL25. I just don't like NL16 though so don't play it at all. Not sure what it is about it. Sizing feels odd maybe? I also think more regs as rec players less likely to pick odd number? Dunno probably just perception.

You zoom or regging?

I'm Zoom generally but with the occassional session at the regs. My BR took a hit last night (probably around $450 now). Looking to build to about $550-$600 before I have a small shot at 25NL again.

What's your BR rule about moving up to 25NL? I was still playing 10NL with a roll of $550 but was tending to getter better results at 25NL than 10NL (ignoring last night) so Jon encouraged me to move up. I still think mentally though I'm not quite ready for it with that BR size as I was uncomfortable making the moves I felt were right at times in case I lost a big post. And as you saw last night, losing that % of my roll in one session rocked me a bit.

Agree about the sizing feeling weird at 16NL but my perception has generally been that the fishier players stop at 16NL and the better ones head straight on through to 25NL. Not sure if that's the case, but it's how it's felt to me.

I don't have a hard a fast rule, I try and take small shots rather than have the huge loss to BR of a full shot. I used to play 30BI move down if lose 10BI, leaving me $500 to rebuild at NL10. Now I'll shot at $700 probably for about 4 BI. I felt the same at NL25 that I was worried about the plays I was making. Basically I'm so used to NL10 that it seems like 250bb everytime as I see the grind making it back up.

Had to stop grind after Stars just glitched and folded me instantly out of this hand. On reflection though I think I would have done the same in the end.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (CO): $10.00
BTN: $15.60 (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 55)
SB: $18.48 (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
BB: $11.37 (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 55)
UTG: $11.06 (VPIP: 20.62, PFR: 13.40, 3Bet Preflop: 18.92, Hands: 101)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Qd As
fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop : ($1.20, 4 players) 6d 7s Ah
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.85, fold, fold, BB calls $0.85

Turn : ($2.90, 2 players) Ac
BB checks, Hero bets $2.00, BB raises to $10.22 and is all-in, fold

BB wins $6.59

Reviewing it now it may actually have been a good thing. 76, Ax or 98 is unlikely to shove here surely. It must just be 66/77 or A7s/A6s. What you think? I think its a fold now and I hope I would have made the same call ingame.

Should be checking the flop though :')

thetallpaul: Had to stop grind after Stars just glitched and folded me instantly out of this hand. On reflection though I think I would have done the same in the end.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (CO): $10.00
BTN: $15.60 (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 55)
SB: $18.48 (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
BB: $11.37 (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 55)
UTG: $11.06 (VPIP: 20.62, PFR: 13.40, 3Bet Preflop: 18.92, Hands: 101)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Qd As
fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop : ($1.20, 4 players) 6d 7s Ah
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.85, fold, fold, BB calls $0.85

Turn : ($2.90, 2 players) Ac
BB checks, Hero bets $2.00, BB raises to $10.22 and is all-in, fold

BB wins $6.59

Reviewing it now it may actually have been a good thing. 76, Ax or 98 is unlikely to shove here surely. It must just be 66/77 or A7s/A6s. What you think? I think its a fold now and I hope I would have made the same call ingame.

Don't mind the way you played this hand with the Cbet its definitely not negative EV. However, checking back is also fine i mix it up in this spot. However, i think this fold is not that great. Not because i think Villian is bluffing but because i think he could be shoving with worse Ax for value. Also, i would think a player with these stats would check/raise 66s and 77s on the flop. Nits tend to have the mentality of i don't want to give free cards.

Definately could check flop here. I often do. Could also check call the turn here I suppose. Once I decide to barrel I'm hoping Ax will call or 76s/98s. When he raises I think this is super nutted from a nit. If totally aggro or mental I could believe a raise with Ax but here I just don't see it. Unless its AK maybe but then I'm dead anyway. AJ or AT just don't see it.

I also don't think a set is always check raising here 4 way. It would look crazy strong. A set is a check call here for me, maybe even a donk lead into that many people. I would assume a nit would also see it that way as they don't play many hands so when they hit a good one they want to keep people in.

Right done for the night. Returning to the NL10 reg tables has treated me well. I've ran well and played against some droolers. I think the beating I got on Zoom actually helped my game a fair bit. If this weekend goes ok I may start mixing in some NL25 again. Scary! BR back up to $700.

NL10 reg 6 max graph.

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Super solid graph! Wish players like you would apply for staking !

Can't see the graph for some reason. 'Grats on the results though.

Edit: got the graph now. Some computer lag issue at my end. Awesome

You don't mean that Jon, you know how whingy I am when I'm losing/ watching video reviews. Imagine if you had to put up with that as part of your staking stable!

Thanks for the gratz though both of you. I've been on a good run, long may it continue.

thetallpaul: You don't mean that Jon, you know how whingy I am when I'm losing/ watching video reviews. Imagine if you had to put up with that as part of your staking stable!

Thanks for the gratz though both of you. I've been on a good run, long may it continue.

haha maybe!

Its funny as sometimes when you run a staking business its like having children as its want want want. This time round i have had none of this and they all just crack on.

Where in the world are you from Paul if you don't mind me asking?

Don't mind at all. I'm a child of nowhere. My dad was in the military so we moved around all over. I'm from the UK broadly though and I live in Cambridge now, which is a lovely part of the world.

I'm going to have a good grind tonight. Election chat has bored the living crap out of me today.

I mean sure why wouldn't you limp and call a cold 3bet with 73s? No money in NL25 all too solid.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

CO: $14.60 (VPIP: 70.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: $25.56 (VPIP: 35.48, PFR: 25.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
Hero (SB): $25.40
BB: $25.00 (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 19.17, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 122)
UTG: $29.97 (VPIP: 26.19, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 44)
MP: $34.89 (VPIP: 20.75, PFR: 13.21, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 54)

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Ah Ad
fold, fold, CO calls $0.25, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.75, fold, CO calls $2.50, fold

Flop : ($6.50, 2 players) 6s 4s Jd
Hero bets $3.40, CO raises to $11.85 and is all-in, Hero calls $8.45

Turn : ($30.20, 2 players) 9s

River : ($30.20, 2 players) 2s

Hero shows Ah Ad (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 82%, Flop 53%, Turn 0%)

CO shows 3s 7s (Flush, Nine High)
(Pre 18%, Flop 47%, Turn 100%)

CO wins $28.84

Bad day again today. Stats look OK but got roundly outplayed, outflopped and outdrawn. I didn't tilt too much which is nice. Perhaps the only hand I did was chasing a flush draw in a 3bet pot vs a super aggro player looking for stacks. I called 2 40% streets which isn't great with just FD and 1 over.

Some of the stats were mental though. My Cbet was 42/50/80 so not crazy but success rate was 22/12/36. Under these circumstances you need to have some cards and I just didn't today.

no cure for this sickness

Run is continuing. Not losing too much money as I'm lucky with set ups but really not sure how to cope with the aggression at anything above NL10. I'm getting torn apart. I can see my stats suck and if it was me I'd be exploiting the shit out of myself. Fold to float is 70%, fold to river bet is 75%, River call effectiveness is 2.5 so I'm getting bluffed to pieces. My WTSD is still pretty normal because I cannot bring myself to barrel anything as I just get raised off it and as a result my W$SD is pretty good.

I just always lose when I call any raise or bet just now. Only 1500 hands so nothing major at all and I'm only $15 down EV (worse in real money) as I'm basically folding everything but it feels like I'm the fish at the table and when it feels like that it probably is true. I am OKish with fat value and in SDV on mid strength hands. My real problem is building x/c or x/r ranges and how to respond to other peoples x/r or floats especially. Any help on this really appreciated. I read the Weazel article on it which was good but I don't know what to do on later streets without intiative as I never do it and no strat seems to cover that. I mean I open KTs and get K84r I'm fine with x/c there but what happens when they bomb blank turns or an A hits the river and they fire again for example?

I don't know how it is at NL25, but at the limits below, usually when you get raised on any street (especially on river), they have a good hand.
I prefer folding for safety when I am being raised on any street unless I have the monster, rather than guessing and loosing alot of money.
Just try to play hands against fish and don't get carried away with 3bets and 4bets against regs.

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