20NL - TPWK vs donkbets

Posted 7 years ago

Something that always fascinates me is a donkbetting range in hands like this. Just because I hardly ever donkbet in situations like this (HU BB vs BTN).

** Hand # 6597216419 starting - 2017-06-21 14:10:43
** Clark - €20 Max [Hold'em] (0.10|0.20 NL - Cash Game) Real Money

MulanoStylo sitting in seat 1 with €20
len000ILD sitting in seat 2 with €21.03[Sitting out]
MaiThai1 sitting in seat 3 with €20.51
HERO sitting in seat 4 with €20[Dealer]
killamix sitting in seat 5 with €20.39
hitrun sitting in seat 6 with €23.62
killamix posted the small blind - €0.10
hitrun posted the big blind - €0.20

** Dealing cards to HERO: 7d, Ad
MaiThai1 folded
HERO raised to €0.40
killamix folded
hitrun called - €0.20

** Dealing the flop: As, 2h, Js
hitrun bet - €0.60
HERO called - €0.60

** Dealing the turn: Kd
hitrun bet - €1.80
HERO called - €1.80

** Dealing the river: 9h
hitrun bet - €4.70
HERO folded
hitrun mucks:
hitrun wins €10.11 from the main pot

Rake: €0.28




Fine play like this? No reads on the villain.

Pwll

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Posted 7 years ago
I think the play is fine. You just have a bluffcatcher on the river. You don't beat any of his value hands as he is probably not betting less than 2 pair on the river. So without reads I probably just fold this as well. People tend to underbluff 3 high card boards, at the micros, anyhow, so you could even contemplate nit folding the turn, but calling is standard I think. Other than spades not even sure what he is bluffing other than some Qx that opted to 2 barrel when he picked up the gutshot.

I think it depends on the villain but typical donk betting ranges from guys I play against are Top pair, or 2 pair or sets on boards that are fairly dynamic where they don't want it to check through and have one of the draws complete. So in this spot he might be donking 22 or A2 or AJ because he is afraid of the flush completing and wants to get value. They will also do it with draws, but I think if he had a spade draw he probably would have shut down on the river. I don't usually see them follow through with the 3 barrel bluff. Entirely possible he did it with QT as well and got there so just keeps firing away.

Against the guys I play at 10nl on MPN the donk betting ranges are fairly transparent and usually quite strong. Every now and again you will get someone who does it with like 2nd pair or some random hand on a board that supposedly looks "scary." Kind of like this one, 2 high cards or a paired board where they are trying to say they have trips some ace high boards for whatever. I see it more frequently, even from regs, when the pot is multiway. I don't think they really think about it in terms of who has range advantage and how the board ACTUALLY interacts with each players range so its kind of something you just have to start paying attention to more at showdown and maybe noting what your pool does it with.
Posted 7 years ago
Absolutely amazing post, which also reflects my thoughts on this matter very clearly. A2/22 being most of his range, maybe combined with some FD here and I think I have enough other hands that can call here.
Posted 7 years ago
Basically if you run filters on those donkbets usually they are some sort of top pair - mixed in with sometimes some random hand and sometimes the nuts - but most of the time it's a top pair type of hand - so looking at that you really don't run that hot with a marginal Ace here.

You could honestly think about folding OTT, it's fine to call but you are probably not doing that great overall.


A little piece of information: in the 50nlz Stars pool trip barrels are value over 80%+ of the time - and the 50nlz stars pool is already decently full of regs that play somewhat theoretical, so yeah you will maybe see a bluff here like 10% of the time or smth - and well since you don't beat any value it's an easy fold OTR. And as said potentially OTT already.
Posted 7 years ago
Basically if you run filters on those donkbets usually they are some sort of top pair - mixed in with sometimes some random hand and sometimes the nuts - but most of the time it's a top pair type of hand - so looking at that you really don't run that hot with a marginal Ace here.

You could honestly think about folding OTT, it's fine to call but you are probably not doing that great overall.


A little piece of information: in the 50nlz Stars pool trip barrels are value over 80%+ of the time - and the 50nlz stars pool is already decently full of regs that play somewhat theoretical, so yeah you will maybe see a bluff here like 10% of the time or smth - and well since you don't beat any value it's an easy fold OTR. And as said potentially OTT already.
Posted 7 years ago
I'm in favour of folding turn. But then versus some I'll raise the flop and versus others just fold flop there and then. No info on this villain so fold turn for me -at least when my brain is in gear. As mentioned, 3 barrels are for most purposes value so the river fold is trivial this time imo.