NL50 109of ANONYMOUS

Posted 7 years ago

Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $50 (100 bb)
BB: $56.74 (113.5 bb)
UTG: $53.77 (107.5 bb)
MP: $54.32 (108.6 bb)
CO: $32.45 (64.9 bb)
Hero (BTN): $50 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9h Td
3 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25) Ks 9c Ac (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.25) Kd (2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3

River: ($11.25) 2c (2 players)
BB bets $8.75, Hero raises to $44.50 and is all-in, BB folds

Results: $28.75 pot ($1.43 rake)
Final Board: Ks 9c Ac Kd 2c
BB mucked and lost (-$14.25 net)
Hero mucked 9h Td and won $27.32 ($13.07 net)

is this overplay? my logic was that best hand he could have on turn is 9k, and i block that. i have all better fullhouses in my range
kuca86

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Posted 7 years ago
I think trying to get K9 to fold on the river is not going to be ev+ without a sick read on the other player, you could shove for value with a flush and I don't expect K9 to fold.

To me, without any kind of history or tell I do think this is a bit of an overplay, the flush does get there so we can get Kx to fold but I like it more if we held a high club in our hand.
Posted 7 years ago
First of all i would like 2.5x as bu OR size a little bit more but not really a big deal. Second i dont really get the cbet size, of course we have range advantage and i would consider cbetting that particular board at a very high frequency but in general i then like smaller sizes a lot more than this one.

On the turn i kinda like his lead given that you would check back a lot of K yourself so the K hits him a lot more. I think given that we are pretty low in our range on the turn i would consider folding cause villain will simply have a lot of Kx and given that we`re drawing pretty dead against any made hand and arent that far ahead against all of his legit draws, raising wont accomplish much. Calling with the intention of bluffing various rivers is pretty optimistic imo. Most players wont fold any Kx to a shove on the river, as well as the flush. Of course you have all better full houses on the river but that arent that many combos, K9,K2 never folds, Kx wont be folded by many players as well, so the only hands that fold river on a brick are busted fd that you are ahead anyway or weak Ax that rarely decide to play like this.

When the flush hits on the river i think fe goes down even more, the play needs to work around 70% to be profitabel and i dont think we come anywhere near that, except if you got a solid read on your opponent which is pretty tough on anonymous tables. If you consider shoving a lot of flushes on the river this might be a hand to balance your range but as Harvie said since u have no blockers there should be a lot more better hands to do so. As played i would`ve folded turn might be a bit nitty but dont see a decent plan vs a bet from him on most rivers.
Posted 7 years ago
As i thought deeper about the hand a few things came to my mind:

1. First of all we have to consider how many value combos we shove an the river, then what odds are we giving him and therefore how much we want to bluff: All boats --> 19 combos ; any KcXc another 8 + our best flushes QJcc QTcc Q8cc thats 30combos total for value. Since he has to be about 35% right of the time when he calls we want 15 bluff combos. So now moving forward with what hands we want to bluff: A9, Qc9x,Jc9x,Tc9x thats 18combos total

2.In the previous post i wrote we have range advantage which isnt true what i meant was that we are uncapped in that spot he isnt, we actually have a 5% disadvantage given a 50% OR range and a 36% calling range (which is very generous because most players on these stakes are overfolding bu vs bb). Given that fact we cant just auto cbet 100%, of course we bet all of our premium holdings but also have to consider a checkback range(some Ax,Kx,QQ,JJ,TT) that can withstand some heat on later streets. Overall from our whole range we can cbet 12% so around 1/4 for value so we want to bluff around 6% 1/8 of our range that we are balanced.

3.On the turn we have to look at our range again and the odds we are given once he bets 3 into 5.25. We have to defend the top 40% of our range here and given all value combos we bet on the flop T9 then is definitly a fold not even taking his probably unbalanced donkbet range into consideration.

Putting the whole matter in a nutshell it can be concluded that as we call the turn we can for sure put this hand into our bluff range to make him fold Kx and small flushes there which he def should. But as we take a closer look at the action the call on the turn is overdefending and therefore we are overbluffing the river with that hand. But in general the thought process of turning bottom of your range into a bluff on the river where you can rep nutted hands is pretty good.
Posted 7 years ago
I think this is a reasonable line. I doubt he's ever laying down K9 here, but there's more than enough combos of bare Kx which should fold once the flush hits.

You say it's an anonymous table but give no reads. Have you gone into this blind without any history with villain? Even if your line looks good in a vacuum it's probably a lot better to save it until you're have at least some indication you're trying it on against the right guy.
Posted 7 years ago
it was my 3th hand at table, i wasnt traying him to make fold 9k i was traying to make him fold king and small flushes, he end up trash talking on chat how good you run, and fold hand