EDIT: Stack hadn't settled! Bankroll

OK there's some hands you should be folding pre for 9922ds and QJ44ds, for a start flop fairly poorly, don't have nut potential, there fine in some ranges, eg button open, but iso raising in middleish position and the cold call of 3bet oop with action behind is just going to be a severely -ev play long term. The AKQJds is a beautiful hand but looses a lot of equity against tight 3bet ranges and esp vs 4bet ranges, because of the A being useless vs AAxx, and the K being useless vs KKxx, and it's fair to say at the micros a 4bet is almost always AAxx

Hope that helps

The 9922ds is a fold pre. You are playing a dead main pot so must win at showdown but have a live sidepot where you call a 3b pre ... just let it go. The combinations of flops where you get it in against the dealer buttons iso 3b and flop stack off range you are rarely in fantastic shape. As played I don't really like the checkraise either. That is probably just because I would not find myself in this spot in the first place, but all that said well done on taking a hand most would say fold pre with and making some $s.

The KTJ7ds: With hands like these I consider whether to 3b or not based on the player type that opens and calls, and the blinds as well. There are some instances where I will not 3b this hand because I want the blinds in, or because I have an aggro player acting after me or in the blinds, so by calling I can call a 3b if they put one in and take a flop.

QJ44ds is a fold pre. I would be opening this on the button to folds, or calling the BB to a loose button open or SB open, but that is pretty much it. It is a difficult hand to win stacks with. A lot has to go right. As it is you fold turn with a hand where it makes one of it's strongest holdings.

AKQJds is a beautiful hand so so so pretty. Send it flowers. Readless this is very often into AAxx here. Again similar to the KJT7ds there are spots where I will call this hand pre to draw in weaker players to a multiway pot / call to trap loose 3b squeezes. Probably 85% of the time I am 3b this here. Whether it plays as a flat to the 4b or get it in depends on what you have seen of the player who initially opened. Here for me these hands are not an auto-3b. PLO is gross you can have AKKJds and get 3b by king aggro peanut get it in and he has the AAKTds ...

A452ddxx just fold this pre. Recognise wheel suited aces are not great. People significantly overvalue low end run downs and the value of a suited ace.

9568ds I am unsure on this hand. Concerns for calling the flop are the player acting after us can have our outs crushed, and if the player who 3b from the SB has a reasonable range of connected suited runs we can also be dominated here.

It is very easy IMO to go overboard with bluffing spots in plo due to the increased frequency of bluffing opportunities ex: bad cards for your opponents range, having more cards so more blockers more frequently etc. I am not saying that you are doing that, but just putting in a side thought.



I look forward to some more comments on these hands.

Ty Jon.

Folding in plo, what is the world coming to.

In answer to the 9568ds, it's not hand I open utg+1, or more accurately a hand I try not to open, given the likely outcomes we experience from opening in early position, we are either faced with a multiway spot, with a hand that plays far better in a heads up spot, rather that multiway, given the flush and straight domination issues with this hands, or we get 3bet. If we get 3bet we are faced with two options, the first is to fold and surrender 3.5bb, or 350bb/100, by calling we are saying that the call is more profitable than losing 350bb/100 and it will be, we are likely to have a winrate or around -100/-120bb/100 with the call, but the point is that it's not a profitable call it's a less -ev call

As for postflop, in a vacuum, I really don't think our opponent will have many suited rundowns, given we have been 3bet having opened in early position, and I am surprised to see QQxx 3bet here, granted we do not have any nut outs here, but we do have range adv, so I'm more in favour of raising here, and applying pressure to the bare KKxx, AAxx hands that bet fold this board, that being said a fold is fine as well, I just feel a call is the worst option of the 3, and a raise or fold line on flop would make sense.

Having written this essay, if someone else has thoughts, I'm open to changing my mind

Wow some sick replies there TYVM!

So everything you are all saying is going about my ideas of PLO - play lots of connecting cards, if they are suited even better and if you have suited broadways go nuts.

Also the 9922 hand I understand what you all mean. I think I saw Doug or someone playing double pair hands and basically never folding pre...could have even been some old out of date RIO video...perhaps it was a heads up video the more I think about it. Anyways points taken and going to put them into practice in this next session.

Any four card fun times updates?

Yo

Just played my first session since the last post andddddd




I played horrifically

Is it possible to post the HH's trough weaktight or some other HH reader. Its a lil bit tough to get the correct action and poss

Second hand with AQQx i would raise the turn when we are OOP. Just try and get it in or make him fold out tons of EQ.

This sucks.. really like my line here vs a bet bet bet bet bet type of guy

Pretty cool! Shoutout LosingLife!

Damn was proud of this one and loved my sizing

Oh no we have broke the £500 mark in the wrong way! If I go below £400 i will stop 4 tabling, stop 50PLO and just 2 table PLO20 again...oh and study

tbh 30 buy ins is the most aggro bankroll management that I go for, the variance is just too severe otherwise

Hey! It was me (LosingLife). Don't bust the bankroll, I wanna see you at the PLO50 tables again Variance is high as well as the rake. I've not seen so much of your play, but I would recommend to tighten up your preflop range, especially on the big blind. And folding to 3bets is ok too. These are very important aspects that kill winrate tremendously. I'm fixing it now myself and see some promising results. Anyway, good luck at the tables

They gave Jon the Scandinavian software where he has only 2 buttons?

Printing

Bad runs even happen to JNandez...2hrs17mins into his session

What does Tony have?

This game is so tough