help me guys please?

Hey Nikola,

I'll throw in a couple of things that I have noticed to hopefully get the ball rolling for you. First off, your hand sample size is not actually a large sample size. Now I don't know if what you have beyond this is more, but 20K hands at 5NL is not considered a large sample size and the ~7k hands at 10nl is pretty much insignificant. It doesn't really mean much at all. You need to really have over 50K hands to start to get a real idea of your numbers and stats. Probably some guys are gonna say even more than that. Like your winrate at 5nl could just be good variance and the loss at 10nl could just be bad variance. Hard to say really.

All that being said, off the limited sample you have, there are 2 pretty glaring things that show up. First off is your button. You are not stealing nearly enough from the button. You are leaving way too much money on the table by not opening your button more. I played ~3K hand just yesterday at 10nl and my button steal% was 53%, which basically mean every time it folds around to my button unopened, I am opening the pot 53% of the time or 53% of hands. there are some slight differences in 5nl and 10nl but across the board at micro stakes, they just don't defend their blinds enough. There is some math you can do to figure it out but not really gonna get into all that here. Not saying you should jump up to 50+%. Actually I can't see what your RFI from the BU is, it just has you PFR which I assume includes the times that you 3bet as well. I could be wrong but I am not familiar with PT4 either, but just basing it off of your PFR stat, you aren't opening wide enough.

The other thing, relates to the BU and probably why you are having more trouble at 10nl vs 5nl. Not sure that you are defending against 3bets on the button enough. Again there is some math you can do, and it depends on what you are opening too and what size they are 3betting to. I think this is probably one of the bigger differences between the 2 stakes. I think you will find more reggish type players at 10nl that have studied the game a little and they are 3betting more. At 10nl I think you will find some of the regs start shifting to a SB 3bet or fold strategy, not all of them but some, which means you will have some SBs 3betting you 15% or more. You are generally just gonna find more aggression preflop. I think on the 5nl sample it looks pretty close, but on the small 10nl sample I think you are basically allowing your villains to auto profit. Hopefully someone more adept at reading your stats will chime in, but again not sure there is much value as the sample sizes are pretty small.

You can kind of see how you are not playing your button strong enough in the winrate. You winrate from the button should be the largest and you can see on both that they are not. Now again that could just be sample size. It might actually mean nothing at all, but if I had to guess, you are leaving a fair amount of money on the table just with your button play.

Lastly, I would just say that typically when you move up, the play changes a bit and you need to learn new things and deal with new situations as the player pools tend to get progressively better. So I wouldn't get too worked up over it. It sounds like you are practicing good bankroll management. So just keep doing what you are doing by analyzing your database and working up your roll to take shots and just keep trying to learn and grow and find the spots where you can improve.

Your sample size at 10nl is only 6,000 hands that's not really a sample and there are too many variables to give you a real reason why you're not beating it. Once you play 50k or so hands I think people can provide more tailored advice.

hey guys, thanks for the response..about the sample, i am beating nl5 on a like 70k hands 10bb+, this is only last 20k that i played from my DB after which i switched to nl10 and same thing happend so i stopped. About btn opening and defending, like there are bunch of lp so i am not incorporating holdings like 74s otb due not having fe pre/postflop. As for defending to 3bets, there are not bunch of players that 3bet polarized and they are on a nittier side of 3bet like 5%. But i am working atm with 3bet pots and also you suggested me now, so i guess i am leaking a bit there. Any advices more are welcome.

also as i high volume player, is there maybe a better choice for me than 888??

Hi @Nikola07!

Ok so for me one thing lots of people miss out because they cannot see it is "how are you actually playing". I mean this in the sense of how are you rating your game at 10nl? Are you making plays your know are wrong? Do you feel under pressure when playing? These are the main points which need to be addressed first IMO. No amount of stats or sample will tell the truth about that area.

As for sites there are options. If you like lots of tables then try somewhere like BetVictor or PartyPoker

Or maybe you just need to find overall softer sites and cut down the tables but make a higher bb. For this I would suggest

Unibet
TonyBet

These sites will also give you much higher promos than most which adds to your bottom line significantly.

If you want to check out just how soft these sites are then take a look at a video of TB i made here:



Hope that helps!

hey i left you PM

Yo your PM's wont work until you have 10 posts (pls don't spam to get them quickly).

hey @John-PokerVIP , ty for the advices, a played a bit on TonyBet, when their cash race was 15k i think, i was in + from game and RB. Than i went to 888 bc of traffic.But i will look for this MG rooms and Unibet ofc.

two things that i have most problem on nl10:

1. When i get on the later streets i am not sure if i am betting for thick or thin value vs a not that good players cause they can call down with basicly anything.
2. Creating dead money which i am giving up on. Like i am ISOing vs loose passive/calling station OP, and if i don't hit hand is basicly over as it goes x/x or smh like that. Or 3beting aggro donkey. I cant realize my equity vs those type of players. And if i do hit i tend to maybe overplay a bit in some spots sometimes.

like these things happen on nl5 also, but it has much more impact on me at nl10.

@PocketAces990

hey i responded to you

I don't have any recent experience from 888, but from what I have watched on vids and heard it is pretty soft. I think the challenge with that site, again from what I have heard, which @Jon-PokerVIP has already alluded to, is that their bonus program is not that great. However, I don't really know for sure. At the micros we get hit pretty hard with the rake, so you need to have some good bonus opportunities to offset how much you are paying in rake. I think Microgaming(Betvictor and others) is one of the best for player up to 50NL. The reason is their rake cap. I think most sites you are paying about 5% rake, but the big difference between 2 sites like 888 and Betvictor is the cap. Betvictor caps at 3bb, so the most rake you will pay at 10NL is €0.30 versus 888 whose cap is $4.00. So when you look at an all in pot, your percentage on BV is around 1.5% cuz you hit the cap at around a €6.00 pot versus 888 where you will pay the full 5% in an all in pot. Also the rake back is important and I am not sure that 888's bonus program gives you that much in rake back. If you talk with @Keri_PokerVIP you can get good rakeback on BV. For example, this week from the 5th of dec til yesterday I played 11K+ hands and paid €71 in rake, but I just cashed in the points from that time frame for €21 through the deal that this site offers. I don't think you would be getting that back on 888.

I played a lot on Party over the summer, but it was all on the fast fold variant. They had pretty decent deposit bonuses, but the problem is, if you want to trade the points in to get actual cash back you have to get to there gold level in their VIP system, which is 750 points, which equates to $375 in rake for one month. At 10nl I think that equated to playing about 1500 -2000 hands a day every day. Somewhere around 50K-60K hands in one month. So if you can't see yourself doing that, then you won't ever be able to trade the points in for cash, only tourney tickets and stuff like that. I can only speak about fast fold, but the other thing about them is that there are about 20-30 regs at 10NL who are fairly aggressive pre flop. If you find yourself having trouble with aggro 3bettors you won't like them. A few of them carry 3bet percentages overall of 12-15% and 3bet from the BU around 12-15% alone and from the blinds sometimes as high as 20%, some more than that. So you really have to work on your preflop ranges so that they are fairly balanced with 3bet calls, value 4bets and bluff 4bets, which will put you in a lot of spots you have never been in before and make it fairly uncomfortable. That being said, it isn't a bad thing. If you want to continue moving up, you are going to have to figure a lot of this stuff out at some point and doing it at 10NL is better than doing it at a higher stake.

You need a larger sample
Come back again after 30k hands

ty very much @fawltyfelix for this long post, i was really never much into rake/rb and calculations, but for sure i am going to consider this. RB on pacific is basicly non existent due to softer field.

Also, do anyone have expirience with like Upswing poker lab or courses and things like that?